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Poster: buffalo69 Date: Nov 22, 2007 4:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Post Brent years

First off, Vince was terrible. In absolute joke! Secondly, although Bruce Hornsby's grand piano playing was awesome, can anyone say honestly that they enjoy his accordion playing with the Grateful Dead... or at all for that matter? Brent's Wurlitzer organ was irreplaceable, not to mention what was lost in the vocal department. After seeing the dead over 300 times from 84 on I can honestly say that the frequency with which the band delivered memorable shows went way downhill after Brent's death. Did they break out a bunch of classic tunes again in the 90s... yes, but was the band a shell of what it had been... I don't even need to answer that.

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Poster: Robony Date: Nov 23, 2007 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

Actually, When Bob offered Vince the gig he began the conversation, "Hey man, is your insurance paid up?"

Vince never had a shot. His playing wasn't terrible and I wonder how he might have done with a steady Garcia.

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Poster: Ont. guy Date: Nov 24, 2007 5:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

He was defintly my favorite keyboard player the Dead ever had. What really impressed me the most about him was his time, I mean we all know how sloppy or un-tight the Dead can and have been (something I've learned only a real fan can appreciate) but Brent always felt the groove even when the other guys kinda got lost. Also I just loved that his playing had the element of funk (his east bay roots...?) in it, especially early on when he mostly played Rhodes and B3 you can hear he checked guys like Hancock and Corea and the way he comped showed that, also his solos were far more interesting and directional then any other before or after him in my opinion. I still get chills when I think about the energy he could bring to the crowd/band when he kicked in to some killer B3 solo!! This guy had ears and creativity, too bad he obviously had some troubles in his private life. Miss ya Brent, keep groovin'

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Poster: 1/2step Date: Nov 23, 2007 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

THEY SUCKED!!!!!!!!

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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 22, 2007 11:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

300 shows and the line "no time to hate" never sunk in. (Sigh!) Every Dead era has its bright spots, including the post-Brent years. My favorites from that time were 90-91 when Branford would sometimes sit in with the band - he and Hornsby made an unbelievably ethereal sound. I never got to see Branford, but the '91 Giants Stadium show was one of the best times I've ever had.

Jerry seemed to have a sense of things closing, and some of the most soulful Stella Blues ever sung were from 93-94. So Many Roads and Days Between are beautiful and apropos to the time they were written. As for Vince, definitely his selection was an example of "act in haste, repent at leisure", but from '93 on he was definitely improving and trying his damnedest. He would've probably progressed a lot further had he just been thrown in the water cold without having to be in Bruce's shadow.

Of course it wasn't the same or as good. That doesn't mean it wasn't ever good. :-) It always brings me back to that line from the Beatles' Revolution No. 9: "Everyone knew as time went on we'd get a little bit older and a little bit slower." It amazes me every time someone forgets that.

Edit: I don't care what anyone says, I liked "Way to Go Home" from the first time I heard it - it reminded me of Traffic. Even Samba's not a bad song, just not the traditional Dead style; but then, neither was "Far From Me".

This post was modified by laptaper on 2007-11-23 07:07:12

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 22, 2007 10:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

"jerry" phil, we're gonna hire the next motherfuckin keyboard player to walk through that door. i'm really sick of this shit already."

"vince" hey, i'm here for an audition?"

"Phil" mister, your hired!"

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Poster: L.A. Women Date: Nov 24, 2007 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

i second johnny on this one

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 22, 2007 6:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

that was a tad harsh there, buddy. vince screw your wife or something?

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Poster: buffalo69 Date: Nov 22, 2007 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

You're right about the organ acetboy, forgive me on the name but I was speaking about the sound more than the brand name. Obviously, you know your way around an organ... male organ that is. Vince didn't do anything to me personally I just think he was a studio musician at best, with a terrible voice. As far as Hornsby goes I'll give credit where credit is due. That being said, it took too keyboard players to replace Brent, and accordions should only be played during a polka, or at a Polish wedding

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 23, 2007 1:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

I don't think it took two to replace Brent, took Hornsby to cover up the mistake they made with Vince. No offense to the man personally, just didn't do it for me in the band. Hornsby by himself would have been plenty. I've said it a million times before - the way Hornsby handled himself was a clear indication how he was a notch above ALL of the keyboard players in the band. He handled himself like a total equal and it showed in Garcia's attitude as well. As for Brent, some great moments in the band those years but I never was on the Brent bandwagon. Just something about him didn't have the same level as the rest of the band. I mean " little red rooster, you don't mean shit to me" what the hell is that? Just seems like blue collar mullet crap to me. And the songs were THE cheesiest ever. I mean one of the things that makes the Dead great isn't just their musical improv prowess, it's their impeccible songwriting and cover selection. Songs that make you think and/or transport you somewhere. Then go and throw in Don't need Love, or Easy to love you, or Tons of Steel, or I will take you home? Just doesn't even come close to the same level.And while I absolutely love what he did on those acoustic 80 shows, later on when he used to do that heavy handed chord stuff, it just seemed cheesy to me. I am definately in the minority here but that's just my opinion.

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Poster: frankbladespi Date: Nov 22, 2007 7:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

Hey Mr. Positive. 300 shows from '84 on. I guess there was at least one asshole at each of those shows.Yeah it's you.(I'm on to you dipshit.)

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Poster: buffalo69 Date: Nov 22, 2007 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

Just stating my opinion Frank. Just because you were busy date raping smashed hippie chicks “Or hippie dudes in your case." In the back of your shitbox Volkswagen van while on summer tour with the rest to your frat brothers in 94 doesn't mean my point is invalid.

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Poster: mcgannahan Date: Nov 22, 2007 7:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

o.k. we should never, never listen to any post brent dead. you won't get an argument from me. but what is your point? we know it sucked, yes? i think to blame it all on vince may be inaccurate, since jerry was declining rapidly, and as we all know, his jerriness was the straw that stirred the grateful dead drink. maybe vince wasn't the best fit, but who hired him? maybe they should have been more selective when auditioning people, and things would have been less shittier those last four years. i can't really see a better outcome, unless jerry kicks the habit.

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Poster: Tito&Smokey Date: Nov 22, 2007 7:29pm
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hey man,that was funny,the "male organ" comment.You said you have your eye on him?Well,in order to keep your eye on him,you have to take your eyes of the sick and twisted chil pornography and i dont think your capable of that.And no,buffalo69 is not me,im just giving credit where credit is due

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Poster: buffalo69 Date: Nov 22, 2007 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

As far as hiring Vince, don't you think, the band felt a certain responsibility towards the thousands of fans that were stuck with their heads up their asses with no band to blindly follow? I understand they were in a difficult situation, trying to find someone that could hang without being overbearing, but Vince from the Tubes... have you ever listened to the tubes? by the way Frank didn't I see you on datelines to catch a predator? How's your case going?

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Poster: user unknown Date: Nov 22, 2007 7:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

Don't know what the cause of your attitude is, but I know it is a total buzzkill. Why don't you settle back and listen to one of your favorite shows and chill. Reflect, on this day of giving thanks, on the positive aspects of life. Surely there is something positive in your life. If not, you are in my prayers my brother.

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Poster: mickmac Date: Nov 22, 2007 8:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

I've wondered the process myself. They did have auditions and it's strange that Vince was the best choice. Any idea who else was in the running? I never heard any about anyone else.

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Poster: lobster12 Date: Nov 23, 2007 7:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

Vince and 3 others in the course of a day was the process I guess. Pete sears was one, can't remember the other 2. Someone said melvin seals was not involved because he does not sing.

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Poster: swamprabbit Date: Nov 23, 2007 11:33am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

If you compare the Vince Years to 1972 of course this era is going to come up short. But there is actually a lot of good music here. It is probably more fair to compare 90's Dead to other acts from that era. In this case, the Dead's music from this time period was splendid. Just go listen to 10/1/94. Is it as good as Cornell 77? NO! Is it still a marvelous, emotional show? YES! Although I would have loved to have been at some of the classic early shows, I am kind of glad I joined the party late (first show in 1991). I am able to look back over the entire history of Dead music and enjoy it in its totality. I feel that most of the harsh criticism of certain eras (Brent years, Vince years, etc.) is usually just an excuse for folks to brag about their Dead credentials ("I was here first - back when it was cool.") All I can say is I'm glad I got to experience the magic. I was fortunate that I knew some seasoned older Heads who helped turn me on to the music rather than ripping apart a band they professed to love. Long live the Grateful Dead 1965-1995!

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Poster: laptaper Date: Nov 23, 2007 6:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Post Brent years

Man, you just ripped the curtain down and exposed the wizened cretin of ego that caused this whole thread! Full marks. All about the poster and not about the Dead. Just an insecure ghoul's excuse to piss on other people's tastes - kind of like people who go to the opera only so they can complain loudly after it's over how awful it was, so everyone will know what connoisseurs they are. To people they don't know from Adam, even. I mean, how pathetic can you get?

Oh, peace, love, etc. ;-ppp

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